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		<title>By: Gabrie</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99513</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know WHY twitter decided on this move? I could imagine that it is maybe purely technical based. How much cpu time are they saving by simplifying their queries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know WHY twitter decided on this move? I could imagine that it is maybe purely technical based. How much cpu time are they saving by simplifying their queries?</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing, Strategy &#38; Technology Links &#8211; May 15, 2009 &#171; Sazbean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing, Strategy &#38; Technology Links &#8211; May 15, 2009 &#171; Sazbean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twitter Doesn’t Get Community (Fast Wonder Blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Portland’s Sabrix takes on Quicken, E*Trade, and Dow Jones (for the Stevie Awards People’s Choice) &#124; Oregon Startup Blog</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99174</link>
		<dc:creator>Portland’s Sabrix takes on Quicken, E*Trade, and Dow Jones (for the Stevie Awards People’s Choice) &#124; Oregon Startup Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that even I have grown weary of bitching about the latest Twitter kerfuffle, I thought I might try and post something [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that even I have grown weary of bitching about the latest Twitter kerfuffle, I thought I might try and post something [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99138</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 06:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify a bit. The community doesn&#039;t necessarily get to call the shots, especially when a change is required to improve stability; however, someone responsible for managing the community could have anticipated the changes, better communicated what needed to happen, how it would impact the community, and work with the community to better meet the needs of the company. In other words, I agree with what Jason, Katherine and others have to say. 

The community manager role is often misunderstood - it is really more about being a voice for the community to communicate the needs of the community within the company and then help communicate the needs of the company back into the community. This dual role is one of the things that makes corporate community management such a challenge - there are significant trade-offs and give and take between the company and the community. This also means that the community manager needs to understand the impact to various segments of the community from the very vocal power users to the less vocal casual users. Companies like Twitter tend to have issues when they neglect this role and neglect communications with the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify a bit. The community doesn&#8217;t necessarily get to call the shots, especially when a change is required to improve stability; however, someone responsible for managing the community could have anticipated the changes, better communicated what needed to happen, how it would impact the community, and work with the community to better meet the needs of the company. In other words, I agree with what Jason, Katherine and others have to say. </p>
<p>The community manager role is often misunderstood &#8211; it is really more about being a voice for the community to communicate the needs of the community within the company and then help communicate the needs of the company back into the community. This dual role is one of the things that makes corporate community management such a challenge &#8211; there are significant trade-offs and give and take between the company and the community. This also means that the community manager needs to understand the impact to various segments of the community from the very vocal power users to the less vocal casual users. Companies like Twitter tend to have issues when they neglect this role and neglect communications with the community.</p>
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		<title>By: petitionguy</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99100</link>
		<dc:creator>petitionguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Dawn.

I mean which is it, Twitter? You can&#039;t scale or you just want to make things simpler? I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m losing trust either way just because they&#039;re contradicting themselves.

Everyone please sign my #fixreplies petition here and RT to send a strong, unified message:
http://bit.ly/fixtwitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Dawn.</p>
<p>I mean which is it, Twitter? You can&#8217;t scale or you just want to make things simpler? I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m losing trust either way just because they&#8217;re contradicting themselves.</p>
<p>Everyone please sign my #fixreplies petition here and RT to send a strong, unified message:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/fixtwitter" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fixtwitter</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markalope</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99090</link>
		<dc:creator>Markalope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a millions of users and billions of tweets and potential issues, a community manager, no matter how good, could never stay on top of the wide range of daily/weekly community-impacting-trendlets such as Ashton&#039;s race to one million, Trend-pane hijackings, settings changes etc. Dawn, although I don&#039;t disagree with your post entirely, allow me to open myself to flaming by pointing out that the @reply issue may well be a deal-breaker to YOUR (our) community of social media power-users, but this original community of Twitter users has been dwarfed significantly by people who are following the Ashtons, the Shaqs, the Tila Tequilas of the world. Looks like it&#039;s time to find a way for the power users to enable &quot;advanced settings&quot; such as the @reply toggle, but default it to this new behavior for you know, my Mom. &quot;The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.&quot; @replies were originally community created yes, when the community consisted of a fraction of what it does now. What can we create that can exist in today&#039;s Twitter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a millions of users and billions of tweets and potential issues, a community manager, no matter how good, could never stay on top of the wide range of daily/weekly community-impacting-trendlets such as Ashton&#8217;s race to one million, Trend-pane hijackings, settings changes etc. Dawn, although I don&#8217;t disagree with your post entirely, allow me to open myself to flaming by pointing out that the @reply issue may well be a deal-breaker to YOUR (our) community of social media power-users, but this original community of Twitter users has been dwarfed significantly by people who are following the Ashtons, the Shaqs, the Tila Tequilas of the world. Looks like it&#8217;s time to find a way for the power users to enable &#8220;advanced settings&#8221; such as the @reply toggle, but default it to this new behavior for you know, my Mom. &#8220;The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.&#8221; @replies were originally community created yes, when the community consisted of a fraction of what it does now. What can we create that can exist in today&#8217;s Twitter?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rivers</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99089</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Rivers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Twitter definitely could use a community manager. But one has to wonder, arguably, that maybe the issue isn&#039;t that Twitter doesn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; the community, but rather that it just doesn&#039;t care anymore. 

With new mainstream accounts like @aplusk, @oprah, and @kingsthings, who needs to grow a site by way of a community when you can have millions of new users whenever a celeb signs up? Very wrong, and you&#039;d think they would have taken notes after Facebook&#039;s &quot;We know what&#039;s best for you&quot; debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Twitter definitely could use a community manager. But one has to wonder, arguably, that maybe the issue isn&#8217;t that Twitter doesn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; the community, but rather that it just doesn&#8217;t care anymore. </p>
<p>With new mainstream accounts like @aplusk, @oprah, and @kingsthings, who needs to grow a site by way of a community when you can have millions of new users whenever a celeb signs up? Very wrong, and you&#8217;d think they would have taken notes after Facebook&#8217;s &#8220;We know what&#8217;s best for you&#8221; debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Gray</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99083</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that a community manager, someone assigned to delivering important messages to the community in a timely manner and responding to requests is a great idea. Having someone in that position would have curtailed a lot of the drama yesterday.

But even though this feature was originally community driven doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s good for the current community if it means it&#039;s going to bring the system down. I don&#039;t think the current influx of Twitter users, or even some of the old timers, realize the &quot;exponentiality&quot; of Twitter communication. It&#039;s massive. But without the system there is no way for the community to exist. Now I&#039;m making an assumption that this problem is what&#039;s driving the change since that&#039;s what&#039;s driven most of the feature withdrawals in the past, such as Track and With Others. 

Moveover, Twitter has always depended on the developer community to come up with ways to fill in the gaps they can&#039;t. And this strategy is a good one. Twitter can&#039;t do everything, especially for free, and it&#039;s longevity is dependent on it becoming more like a platform than an app. I don&#039;t doubt that someone will figure out a cool app that will make it easy to discover new people in interesting conversations.

I&#039;d like to see this community mature to a point where it takes responsibility for its impact on the technology. Like when a celebrity has a race with a cable news network to see who can get to a million followers faster we take as stronger stand and tell people that&#039;s not what Twitter is for and why that&#039;s actually *bad* for Twitter.

But in the end, who can make this happen, lead this effort? A community manager. So I guess, Dawn, I agree with you, but maybe for different reasons. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a community manager, someone assigned to delivering important messages to the community in a timely manner and responding to requests is a great idea. Having someone in that position would have curtailed a lot of the drama yesterday.</p>
<p>But even though this feature was originally community driven doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s good for the current community if it means it&#8217;s going to bring the system down. I don&#8217;t think the current influx of Twitter users, or even some of the old timers, realize the &#8220;exponentiality&#8221; of Twitter communication. It&#8217;s massive. But without the system there is no way for the community to exist. Now I&#8217;m making an assumption that this problem is what&#8217;s driving the change since that&#8217;s what&#8217;s driven most of the feature withdrawals in the past, such as Track and With Others. </p>
<p>Moveover, Twitter has always depended on the developer community to come up with ways to fill in the gaps they can&#8217;t. And this strategy is a good one. Twitter can&#8217;t do everything, especially for free, and it&#8217;s longevity is dependent on it becoming more like a platform than an app. I don&#8217;t doubt that someone will figure out a cool app that will make it easy to discover new people in interesting conversations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see this community mature to a point where it takes responsibility for its impact on the technology. Like when a celebrity has a race with a cable news network to see who can get to a million followers faster we take as stronger stand and tell people that&#8217;s not what Twitter is for and why that&#8217;s actually *bad* for Twitter.</p>
<p>But in the end, who can make this happen, lead this effort? A community manager. So I guess, Dawn, I agree with you, but maybe for different reasons. <img src='http://fastwonderblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mauer</title>
		<link>http://fastwonderblog.com/2009/05/13/twitter-doesnt-get-community/comment-page-1/#comment-99077</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Mauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree that Twitter doesn&#039;t get it, I don&#039;t think Twitter hiring a community manager is the solution. Twitter shouldn&#039;t be calling the shots for micro-blogging, period -- the community should. (Sorry Dawn, community managers aren&#039;t the solution for everything :)

To me the big problem is that micro-blogging isn&#039;t standardized or federated, and one for-profit company holds all the keys to the castle. Just blogged about it: http://jasonmauer.com/2009/twitter-the-overlord/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree that Twitter doesn&#8217;t get it, I don&#8217;t think Twitter hiring a community manager is the solution. Twitter shouldn&#8217;t be calling the shots for micro-blogging, period &#8212; the community should. (Sorry Dawn, community managers aren&#8217;t the solution for everything <img src='http://fastwonderblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To me the big problem is that micro-blogging isn&#8217;t standardized or federated, and one for-profit company holds all the keys to the castle. Just blogged about it: <a href="http://jasonmauer.com/2009/twitter-the-overlord/" rel="nofollow">http://jasonmauer.com/2009/twitter-the-overlord/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Walling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Walling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s no mistake that Identi.ca gets community better than Twitter. It was founded by Evan Prodromou, who&#039;s most famous project beforehand was Wikitravel. 

Wikitravel was a success because Evan really groks community in a wiki way, and by moving fast to add oft-requested functionality that Twitter has lagged behind on (like groups), they&#039;ve managed to create a vibrant and responsive approach to working with their community.

I actually began my microblogging adventures on Identi.ca, and moved to Twitter because everyone in Portland tech was on it. If this replies debacle (which I am not particularly bothered by, personally) forces everyone off Twitter on to Identi.ca, I wouldn&#039;t be perturbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no mistake that Identi.ca gets community better than Twitter. It was founded by Evan Prodromou, who&#8217;s most famous project beforehand was Wikitravel. </p>
<p>Wikitravel was a success because Evan really groks community in a wiki way, and by moving fast to add oft-requested functionality that Twitter has lagged behind on (like groups), they&#8217;ve managed to create a vibrant and responsive approach to working with their community.</p>
<p>I actually began my microblogging adventures on Identi.ca, and moved to Twitter because everyone in Portland tech was on it. If this replies debacle (which I am not particularly bothered by, personally) forces everyone off Twitter on to Identi.ca, I wouldn&#8217;t be perturbed.</p>
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